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sms1878 21.04.2014 00:50

90 Cherokee XJ rebuilding
 
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I started with doors but turned into something bigger that I didn't plan at all :)
have couple of holes in trunk and bottom. nothing with chassis yet.

dissembling it into pieces time consuming and still on going, some nuts/bolts are quite rusty.

all suggestions are welcome.

sms1878 21.04.2014 00:57

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removed the carpet and usual ones

sms1878 21.04.2014 01:09

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removed interior parts all of them. including console but still in that pic :P

sms1878 21.04.2014 01:14

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quick check on injectors. 3 out of 6 were fine. cleaned them up with ultrasonic cleaner.
got better ohm values after cleaning. from 14.8 to 16.5 ohms something.

sms1878 21.04.2014 01:20

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here comes the cylinder head off.

sms1878 21.04.2014 01:22

rocker arms and cam shifters before cleaning and after 2 rounds of 15 min with ultrasonic cleaner. now left them de greaser for night to get all dirt out.

sms1878 21.04.2014 01:23

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pics here.

sms1878 22.04.2014 22:21

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needed something to keep the engine hanging and adjust... wanted to do it before putting it back.

sms1878 22.04.2014 22:35

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was fighting with this bolt on top gearbox for 2 hrs to get it out. had to lower transfer case and engine.

temmi_hoo 24.04.2014 06:10

Is this going to be a total rebuild, to atoms and back together? Looking like so... And looking good too.

Do you have pdf links for engine diagrams?

Mase 24.04.2014 08:36

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1125969)
rocker arms and cam shifters before cleaning and after 2lrounds of 15 min with ultrasonic cleaner. now left them de greaser for night to get all dirt out.

Maybe you should open hydraulic lifters to get dirt out from them. There is small snapring in top of lifter, after that piston and valve will come out and you can clean lifter from inside and check inner bore condition also. Dont mix pistons and valves to other lifters, and becarefull snaprings will fly cross the room when you twist it avay with skrewdriver!

sms1878 24.04.2014 11:42

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja ford59 (Viesti 1126862)
Maybe you should open hydraulic lifters to get dirt out from them. There is small snapring in top of lifter, after that piston and valve will come out and you can clean lifter from inside and check inner bore condition also. Dont mix pistons and valves to other lifters, and becarefull snaprings will fly cross the room when you twist it avay with skrewdriver!

thanks, I guess I will open them too. those passages didn't seem so clean at all. I don't have every right tool so I need to figure out something to open them.

sms1878 24.04.2014 11:49

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja temmi_hoo (Viesti 1126841)
Is this going to be a total rebuild, to atoms and back together? Looking like so... And looking good too.

Do you have pdf links for engine diagrams?

Yes It is going to be a full rebuild. Probably will be the slowest one ever, coz I am doing everything myself.
I have only the part catalogs from morris jeep downloaded. checking them when needed.

http://www.jeep4x4center.com/knowledge-base/index.htm

Mase 24.04.2014 12:33

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1126896)
thanks, I guess I will open them too. those passages didn't seem so clean at all. I don't have every right tool so I need to figure out something to open them.

You need just 2 skrewdriver. With bigger one you press piston down 1mm and with smaler one you take snapring out. Little magnet will help you to take piston and valve out from lifter.

After you have assembled lifters back together sink them to motor oil and pump few times piston to fill it with oil. You can feel when piston wont compress anymore, then its full.

sms1878 24.04.2014 12:39

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finally took out engine, transmission and transfer case. couldn't take them out one piece since I don't have anything that high to hang roller.

engine needs a lot of new parts and seals that I know well. been spitting out a lot of oil from every single place. before removing was hardly making 80km/h and puking oil into air-filter. long list of problems.

transmission is still in good condition I will replace only its oil filter and do some cleaning outside to make it breath more.

transfer case had some switching problems not always. I will replace shift fork pads for now. chain seems ok. not so bad.

sms1878 24.04.2014 12:43

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja ford59 (Viesti 1126909)
You need just 2 skrewdriver. With bigger one you press piston down 1mm and with smaler one you take snapring out. Little magnet will help you to take piston and valve out from lifter.

After you have assembled lifters back together sink them to motor oil and pump few times piston to fill it with oil. You can feel when piston wont compress anymore, then its full.

sure, thanks for the tip, will do that. for now they have wait since I can do that as very last step before closing the valve cover :)

sms1878 25.04.2014 20:38

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finally got the shift fork rail out. have been fighting to take out that pin (in picture). took it somewhere too but the guy there didn't have any idea and said it has nothing to do with that pin. so came back home, checked the diagrams for np242, the pin was the only way to get the forks out and kept fighting till I find the right screw.

there is slight damage on side where the front output fork sits on the rail. can it be my shifting problem? it was getting stuck when switching from 4x2 to 4x4 high/low.

sms1878 25.04.2014 20:47

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managed to clean up the cover. it wasn't that easy though. did a bit sanding inside and outside to get smoother surface and painted.

sms1878 26.04.2014 19:55

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time to have hot bath :) washed the engine block and transmission with pressured hot water. pressure wasn't enough ( Karcher K4.99 ) but still did a good job, something with 160 - 180 bar would do a lot better though. that W5 cleaner made it a lot easier. yes I did lubricate after washing it with water. don't want them get rusty.

oil passages around lifters got cleaner that I could notice them. and did a bit honing on piston skirts since there will be new rings coming.

yet couldn't remove the pulley, I don't wanna heat it up to pull out, waiting for pulley removing tool. probably will get it soon.

sms1878 27.04.2014 22:58

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removed the pulley and got the everything out from the block. meanwhile ordered a new timing chain.

did one more cleaning round before painting.

sms1878 27.04.2014 23:01

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painted the block to red :D

will do one more round tomorrow.

_Metal_ 28.04.2014 07:34

very nice!

sms1878 29.04.2014 00:17

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pistons were full carbon deposits so I made piston soup :p :D

sms1878 09.05.2014 15:18

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got the shift rail fixed and smoothed the inner side of shift fork in Jyvaskyla.

now it looks totally fine.

recovered the pictures from phone.

88 10.05.2014 13:47

Nice clean pistons. What solvent you used in piston soup?

sms1878 11.05.2014 12:19

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja 88 (Viesti 1131397)
Nice clean pistons. What solvent you used in piston soup?


JL Tuotteet 502. bought it from http://www.maspart.com/ps-liuotin-jl...-x-20-ltr.html ( only one is possible to buy )

vinegar and de-greaser. mixed 100ml from each in 20 liter 40 degree water and made couple of rounds with ultrasonic cleaner. dirt was coming off easily mostly with brushing. no sanding.

sms1878 11.05.2014 13:01

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camshaft is a bit worn. quite normal for 400K engine I guess.

sms1878 11.05.2014 13:08

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washed the head. it was too oily didn't wanna get in more mess.
then removed rockers and valves. started cleaning everything up.

still have a lot to go. probably will do light porting in head.

sms1878 14.05.2014 12:37

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parts started to come. today got np242 transfer case overhaul kit.

sms1878 14.05.2014 15:36

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cleaning out intake and exhaust housings. doing sanding with dremel nothing much.

will do buffing after cleaning them up all.

Jeeper 14.05.2014 16:12

That block needs 258cid crank and rods ;)

sms1878 14.05.2014 17:52

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Jeeper (Viesti 1132557)
That block needs 258cid crank and rods ;)

I have been thinking about replacing it with 258 's stuff

but for now I wanna put it back all together :)

sms1878 17.05.2014 13:02

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done with the head. painted too.

sms1878 21.05.2014 13:20

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got the engine parts too. it is a complete rebuild kit. some parts will be on sale:

i will update the list later.

On sale:
Piston set (std)

http://forums.offipalsta.com/attachm...1&d=1400671161

sms1878 07.06.2014 19:50

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been a while not to update. meanwhile polished around the valve seats before doing the valve seat refacing, neighbor had the tool for that. saved me some money though. :)

sms1878 08.06.2014 14:08

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pics from the valve refacing.

sms1878 08.06.2014 14:10

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cleaned up valve springs and rockers so on

sms1878 08.06.2014 14:14

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meanwhile bought e300TD with om606.962 engine on it. was cheaper than buying engine separately. has oil leaks around and fuel leaks around fuel pump. not so big deal to fix.
now waits in the yard for next project :)

Kala92 08.06.2014 16:20

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1138257)
pics from the valve refacing.

Awesome tool! Do you know where I can buy one also? Can you adjust the angel stepless?

sms1878 08.06.2014 16:57

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Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Kala92 (Viesti 1138273)
Awesome tool! Do you know where I can buy one also? Can you adjust the angel stepless?

It is quite old one from Lisle. I have been searching for it all over the internet but can't really find anything. All I can find is Neway stuff which are pretty pricy for do-it-yourself.

if you are interested in buying check on ebay there are dozens of them but for certain valve sizes. meaning you may need to buy separate one for different valve sizes.

in that sense that Lisle 66000 kit I used is wiser option with multiple blades having different angles.

Attached the picture from its package:

sms1878 09.06.2014 12:51

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got camshaft bearing installation tool. since fixing engines quite often, it will be useful though.

sms1878 31.07.2014 19:05

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after a long break, started to put things together again.

installed camshaft bearings and crankshaft.

sms1878 02.08.2014 09:59

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new piston rings and bearings.

sms1878 07.09.2014 10:37

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finally finished transfer case. only left rear output crown loose.

painted. changed seals. bearings and chain are OK.

have bearing set left, might keep them as spare parts or sell if anyone interested.

sms1878 07.09.2014 18:06

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-valves, stem seals, springs. left the rockers loose for now.
-the timing cam and chain.
-freeze plugs (no pictures)

Tuoppo 08.09.2014 11:37

Looks good:cool: i like this:)

sms1878 08.09.2014 17:40

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Tuoppo (Viesti 1158962)
Looks good:cool: i like this:)

thanks :)

sms1878 12.09.2014 13:11

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changed the color of oil pan and timing chain cover :)

assembled the head and put back the rods so on...

head gasket is from victor reinz. 3 layer one.

D_Bar 12.09.2014 20:28

Looking great!

Wondering if someone would do that to my Jeep... For cheap of course :D

sms1878 12.09.2014 22:45

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finished the assembly in engine. left top cover loose to drop the oil all over before starting.

small things left to make it easy to put back: alternator and servo pump.

painted the pulleys, water pump and the brackets too :P

couldn't take separate pics for everything I guess it is all visible and you understand it anyway. it is a jeep thing :)

sms1878 12.09.2014 23:00

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja D_Bar (Viesti 1160241)
Looking great!

Wondering if someone would do that to my Jeep... For cheap of course :D

Thanks! working on it more :)

I can get your engine restored and painted as you want for something reasonable but you have to take it out from the car coz it is total pain :D

D_Bar 13.09.2014 18:14

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1160283)
Thanks! working on it more :)

I can get your engine restored and painted as you want for something reasonable but you have to take it out from the car coz it is total pain :D

Thanks for offer but it's quite long way to get it there.. And after all I want learn to do that myself :)

sms1878 13.09.2014 18:20

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja D_Bar (Viesti 1160438)
Thanks for offer but it's quite long way to get it there.. And after all I want learn to do that myself :)

ok if you will need help, feel free to ask anytime :)

jeep's engine is not complicated at all, just need a bit of muscles to work on it :P

JPe 15.09.2014 13:49

That's one sexy lookin' engine these days!

Tuoppo 16.09.2014 09:35

Yeah! I also came to my pants:D:D

Rytari 16.09.2014 10:09

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1160159)
changed the color of oil pan and timing chain cover :)

assembled the head and put back the rods so on...

head gasket is from victor reinz. 3 layer one.



i bought new gasket recently, same as yours. I need to take head out and change collapsed lifter ( hope that cam is ok) did some research and it seems that Victor Reinz MLS gasket is same as Mopar Performance headgasket, having thinner compressed thickness than normal replacement ones and thus adds little compression, not much but... for normal ppl its not so important but i have milled head and installed that mopar performance gasget to add little of that.

sms1878 16.09.2014 13:53

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Rytari (Viesti 1161179)
i bought new gasket recently, same as yours. I need to take head out and change collapsed lifter ( hope that cam is ok) did some research and it seems that Victor Reinz MLS gasket is same as Mopar Performance headgasket, having thinner compressed thickness than normal replacement ones and thus adds little compression, not much but... for normal ppl its not so important but i have milled head and installed that mopar performance gasget to add little of that.


I measured the block and head, they seemed normal so i didn't do any milling, just sanding (1200 grid) backed with aluminum block.

I didn't really check anything about that gasket but the guy who selling it told me to buy that one. it was 2-3 years ago :D

even a little bit increase in compression is enough :) after torquing the head bolts down, spin the crank with hand, make sure you have enough valve clearance

sms1878 16.09.2014 13:56

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Tuoppo (Viesti 1161172)
Yeah! I also came to my pants:D:D

want more pics from different angles ?? :D :D

sms1878 16.09.2014 14:00

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should find sandwich plate adapter and 10 or 13 rows oil cooler from somewhere

OsQ 16.09.2014 15:53

Theres sets with 10rows :)

http://www.autotune.fi/tuote/387/olj...siirtosarjalla

Rytari 16.09.2014 22:44

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1161233)
I measured the block and head, they seemed normal so i didn't do any milling, just sanding (1200 grid) backed with aluminum block.

I didn't really check anything about that gasket but the guy who selling it told me to buy that one. it was 2-3 years ago :D

even a little bit increase in compression is enough :) after torquing the head bolts down, spin the crank with hand, make sure you have enough valve clearance


i took 0.5mm of the head

been driving with that for some years allready, just now have that collapsed lifter and didnt want to spend 5 times more money for just the mopar name on gasket...

next time i also wont buy comp cams lifters... 3rd time i seei some thousand driven lifter fail.

sms1878 17.09.2014 05:48

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja OsQ (Viesti 1161254)

not so bad one :)

sms1878 17.09.2014 05:51

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Rytari (Viesti 1161370)
i took 0.5mm of the head

been driving with that for some years allready, just now have that collapsed lifter and didnt want to spend 5 times more money for just the mopar name on gasket...

next time i also wont buy comp cams lifters... 3rd time i seei some thousand driven lifter fail.

check with these guys http://titanengines.com/

I bought the rebuild kit from them.

sms1878 04.12.2014 19:35

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was working in workshop for a while and now have some free time again so back to work.

washed inside the intake but seems there is still little bit dirt left. injector seats needs little bit polishing but fine for now.

disassembled throttle body and sunk it in thinner for couple of days and did some buffing inside.

sms1878 04.12.2014 19:40

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took off the tranny cover to change oil filter so on but there is some water inside :D

poksutin 04.12.2014 21:22

awesome rebuild...and that titan site was nice too :) gotta open my engine soon too to find that annoying tocking :S
i think its the bearings :S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzOf...ature=youtu.be

thats the tocking :(

sms1878 05.12.2014 21:42

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja poksutin (Viesti 1183247)
awesome rebuild...and that titan site was nice too :) gotta open my engine soon too to find that annoying tocking :S
i think its the bearings :S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzOf...ature=youtu.be

thats the tocking :(


not sure but sounds like timing chain loose and hitting the cover.. take a thin screw driver, start the engine and check around the engine where the knocking is stronger.

or you can test the chain cranking engine it with wrench and check the distributor. if there is a delay, it is the chain.

poksutin 06.12.2014 09:15

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja sms1878 (Viesti 1183504)
not sure but sounds like timing chain loose and hitting the cover.. take a thin screw driver, start the engine and check around the engine where the knocking is stronger.

or you can test the chain cranking engine it with wrench and check the distributor. if there is a delay, it is the chain.

have to check that too...easier than taking the oilpan away :)

but i think that the loudest part is between the oilpan and flywheel :S

it does have a tiny rpm drop when idling. it idles on the first line... i think between 400-500rpm but it still runs great... acceleration etc is fine..

sms1878 06.12.2014 23:45

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got one TransGO reprogramming kit coming in 2-3 weeks.

l'll see how it will change the shifting.

http://forums.offipalsta.com/attachm...1&d=1417901428

poksutin 19.12.2014 19:49

finland needs updates :)

sms1878 20.12.2014 23:26

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja poksutin (Viesti 1187120)
finland needs updates :)

updates coming soon.

got the transmission re-prog kit. been busy for a while. :)

sms1878 21.12.2014 20:20

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Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja poksutin (Viesti 1187120)
finland needs updates :)

reamed out valve seats and tried to make it cross section.

tranny is going into pieces too. drum doesn't look good to me. TC needs new seal. no idea whats gonna come up.

anybody used toyota supra transmission in jeep? :D

http://forums.offipalsta.com/attachm...1&d=1419185839

koira 21.12.2014 22:49

I have heard that they used Jeep transmission in some old Supras.:D

sms1878 21.12.2014 23:05

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja koira (Viesti 1187773)
I have heard that they used Jeep transmission in some old Supras.:D


major assembly is same with minor changes. extra clutch packs and different valve body.

4runners,pajeros, and gm trucks etc using it too. the one supra is quicker and smoother.

sms1878 23.12.2014 02:12

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everything else seems ok. valves, clutches and frictions are between allowed measurements.

gonna wash them all and pack it back. should get O.D drum from somewhere.

sms1878 25.12.2014 18:56

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after all washing still some oily surface...

poksutin 01.02.2015 09:03

more updates :D

sms1878 02.02.2015 22:03

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja poksutin (Viesti 1199170)
more updates :D

have some other things going on. soon i ll update again :)

sms1878 08.02.2015 22:19

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assembled inner clutch packs and put the new springs from transgo kit.

should open the valve body to drill and replace remaining springs.

poksutin 09.02.2015 18:58

engine porn :D

sms1878 02.03.2015 00:13

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finally had sometime to put things back together. not all though.

cleaned up that stator and removed oil seal to replace. closed the body after 3 months :D

and now time for valve-body. hopefully won't screw things up in here.

except that last pin. cs.

sms1878 07.03.2015 23:47

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valve bodies are ready. replaced the springs with transgo kits and cleaned up valve guides.

gonna drill the middle plate and close it up till the cracking.

i used toyota supra 7m-ge service specs as reference. jeep aw4 diagrams/specs didn't match on the valve body i have.

sms1878 09.03.2015 22:30

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valve body mods with diagrams and marks on the plate.

the check balls re-located according to toyota diagrams.

bought new oil pump seal. FPM type. 22euros.

sms1878 14.03.2015 01:20

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re-positioned check-balls in valve-body and end of story with transmission.

sms1878 14.03.2015 21:53

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all set. finished with torque convertor. primed the shafts.

Bonne 16.03.2015 21:23

Neat work sms1878! What primer/top coat you are using on the parts? For example on the engine/tranny/casings etc which will be in hot conditions, what kind of primer to be used in order to keep it from flaking off after short while? I have probably made some shortcuts while cleaning/preparations prior to the painting...

Thanks in advance..

sms1878 17.03.2015 02:15

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Bonne (Viesti 1211604)
Neat work sms1878! What primer/top coat you are using on the parts? For example on the engine/tranny/casings etc which will be in hot conditions, what kind of primer to be used in order to keep it from flaking off after short while? I have probably made some shortcuts while cleaning/preparations prior to the painting...

Thanks in advance..

hey thanks. i ll put them one by one

engine block: no primer. cleaned with metal brush and driller then wiped with thinner. used brake caliper paint. needed a bit thicker coat.
transfer case: aluminum primer up to 220c and hot black paint up to 600c.
transmission is same as transfer case.
intake manifold and valve cover: silver hot paint up to 400c.
exhaust manifold: not painted yet but looking for vht 1300c black paint to buy.
drive shafts: applied regular primer, will use with brake caliper paint.

hopefully they will all hold. :)

sms1878 04.06.2016 17:24

i should get back to work on this if i will have time from work this summer :)

poksutin 05.06.2016 07:15

Please continue.... I wanna hear it purrrr

sms1878 22.10.2016 20:03

how about an engine swap ? :rolleyes:

have OM606.962 in yard sitting. yet tranny remains as question!

any suggestions on it? (wife wants diesel in jeep :D )

poksutin 27.10.2016 20:09

do that and gimme that engine :P

sms1878 09.11.2016 18:17

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja poksutin (Viesti 1322099)
do that and gimme that engine :P

hmm, not a bad idea.. but might not happen anytime soon :D

sms1878 09.11.2016 18:21

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found perfect donor for engine swap and some other spare parts to upgrade.

koira 09.11.2016 21:13

Great work! Super clean ��

Ranee 03.12.2016 20:13

I know that VM motors have some problems especially if used wrong but I like those more than MB diesels.
MBs are reliable and can make great power but those are too common and boring IMO.

I might visit in this month if it is ok? to see your new XJ, spending some time on cottage.

sms1878 03.12.2016 20:26

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Ranee (Viesti 1327044)
I know that VM motors have some problems especially if used wrong but I like those more than MB diesels.
MBs are reliable and can make great power but those are too common and boring IMO.

I might visit in this month if it is ok? to see your new XJ, spending some time on cottage.


sure no problem. just stop by... :)

sms1878 03.12.2016 20:45

MB engines too common swap, I was thinking of BMW M57 2.5 or 3.0 TD engines

yet the donor car was sold. probably we will keep both of these ones, one diesel on petrol engine should be enough.

maybe sometime later, i will think about swapping again.

Ranee 27.12.2016 20:46

Sorry but I did not have time to stop by at daylight at this moment.
But I really want to see your build so I will stop by some day.
Your builds are so super clean.

Tuon pullat jos keität kahvit.

sms1878 27.12.2016 21:49

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Ranee (Viesti 1329897)
Your builds are so super clean.

thanks.

Lainaus:

Alkuperäinen kirjoittaja Ranee (Viesti 1329897)
Tuon pullat jos keität kahvit.

no problem. sent my number with pm. let me know before you come. coffee will be ready :)


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